Indoor plane

[Kevin Rochon]

For sure this is going to be a short thread;) HoHoHo

Well go my small GH order today. I already had a park 250 but it had a lot of battle fatigue I remember sometime it didn't want to start so got a new one.

[mdauth]

Si tu ne passe pas au club se weekend je vais laisser l'avion cher mais beau parent à VSL

[Kevin Rochon]

Check mon PM STP

[Kevin Rochon]

Well thanks to Michel who drop off my plane today at work.

[Xavier]

Nice plane Kevin. I love mine. That's why I have 2 :-)

[Kevin Rochon]

Comme il n'y a pas d'instructions as tu des conseils(ordre de construction, chose a éviter...) Xavier?

P.S. maybe Albert you can correct my spelling on the title , must be because I'm an Apple guy:D

[mdauth]

So???what's the progress, Indoor is Jan 7 :eek::eek: who needs instructions??

[mdauth]

C'est quoi ton Kv de ton moteur?

[Kevin Rochon]

2200kv, I had to "remove" the electronic from last years plane, so now ready to build, and I'm off all of next week:)

[Kevin Rochon]

Did a little bit of work yesterday. It is slow to start because there seems to be many ways to build it and I'm trying to do the best way without make a mistake.

[Xavier]

Sorry Kevin for not answering faster. Here are some pictures of my build.
https://picasaweb.google.com/109974795506183947946/Symmetric2012#

I hope it helps. If you have specific question, I could try to answer also.
Keep it light is the most important as for all indoor planes. Mine was the heaviest at the event in Germany and it was obvious by the speed on level flight compare to uplines.
WC F3P 2013 - Xavier Mouraux - YouTube

I have been more careful on the planes I build since and it makes them so much easier to fly and more fun.

I plan to be at the indoor evenings more often this year.

Xavier

[Kevin Rochon]

Merci Xavier cela va bien m'aider. Parcontre j'ai collé une strip plate à l'arrière de l'aile parce que la queue laissait un espace entre celle-ci et l'aile lorsque le fuse était dessus. Cela va faire un aile plus stiff.

[Xavier]

Ca devrait être bien d'avoir l'aile plus stiff.

[Kevin Rochon]

Ils fournissent des tiges de 1mm(?) mais pas assez pour faire les ailerons et l'élévateur je vais devoir utiliser le reste des ex-indoor c'est du 2 mm par contre. Voici ce que j'ai fait aujourd'hui. Tes photos sont très utilent Xavier.

[Xavier]

Ca serait mieux de mettre du 1mm ou .5mm pour les renforts d'aileron et de stab. Tu ne veux pas ajouter de poids et encore plus important de ne pas en ajouter sur les surface mobiles. Mon 2eme n'a pas les renfort d'aileron et elevator et ca fait pas une grosse difference pour les maneuvres normales. C'est dans les maneuvres brutales que ca change un peu.

[Kevin Rochon]

J'en ai trouvé dans mon stock d'ex-indoor(je garde tout ce qui pourrait servir) Voici ou j'en suis (j'avais posté hier en fin de soirée mais ça a disparue?) Pour les ailerons est-ce que c'est ok d'utliser les horns de fibre de verre fournit?

[Kevin Rochon]

Doesn't look like much but I had to sand the top fuse part to get it o fit properly. I use UHU to glue the servos should be lither than hot glue.

[xtopher]

Hi Kevin, what kind of prop are you using on the 2200kv motor?
I use the same motor and I need help to build my own plane. Can you please give me the flying weight with battery and dimension of the plane?:confused:

[Kevin Rochon]

prop GWS 8x4.3
Wing sp. 85 cm
Fuse 96 cm
weight 120 to 140g

I won't be able to tell you exactly how much because I don't have a precise scale(bathroom one won't do + it lies all the time;))

Tonight I did the elevator.

[xtopher]

wow. good job! thanks for the info

[Xavier]

You will have a very nice plane Kevin :-)
The horn are fine. One thing thatis not on my pictures is the linkage on the ailerons use ball links from the trex 250. It could be at both end of the carbon rod for best result or only on the servo. It gives precise control and no play. Here is a picture on another of my plane.
https://picasaweb.google.com/m/zoom?uname=109974795506183947946&aid=5826850797665811345&id=5826850833760797506&viewportWidth=320&viewportHeight=416
I have seen it used on elevator also.

[Kevin Rochon]

Je n'ai pas de petit ball link mais des EZ connectors. Did both ailerons, probably will finish the plane tonight?

[Kevin Rochon]

Well not finished, what was I thinking a lot more work to do. Still have control to hook up and the motor and ESC to installed.

[Eladio]

Well not finished, what was I thinking a lot more work to do. Still have control to hook up and the motor and ESC to installed.

Nice work Kevin !! I'm same stage as you also installing the motor , ESC and landing gear.Different Model do !
After you screw the motor in , do you apply a bit of CA behind the screws so they stay locket ?
Will post wen Finish :)

[Xavier]

If you have a wood 'firewall' you don't need to add ca on the screws.
On my Armonia, I inserted small pieces of balsa in the foam like little dowels and screwed the motor in these. No firewall so it's lighter.
On my Spies The Glavak motor came with small pieces of plastic to be inserted in the foam. There are flexible sleeves between the motor and the plastic dowel so the trust is adjustable. Very light.


Nice work Kevin !! I'm same stage as you also installing the motor , ESC and landing gear.Different Model do !
After you screw the motor in , do you apply a bit of CA behind the screws so they stay locket ?
Will post wen Finish :)

[Burning Head]

Good job Kevin , ca va être un model de haute précision . I'm planning to buy the Saturn Evolution from Icare. Did any one know this plane... did I need to increase or add airbrake for better slow flying I will use a E-Flite 180 2200kv and a hacker x-7 amp and a 280 mAh lipo

[Xavier]

I have that one too :-)

I found it more sensitive than the monoplanes like the Symmetric. Maybe because it is a little heavy (175g). It is an old design with no milling of the foam. The Park 180 will be working hard I think. If you are willing to machine the foam down like on newer kits or use milar, then it could be good. The original was using the Axi 2203 and was about 170g. The park 180 would only allow level flight. I tried one on an airplane that was a lot lighter and it wasn't fun. I believe the 180 will be fine for a model around 100g. I should try it again now that I have lighter models.

For about the same price, I would go with a newer models like the new Citrino from Donatas Design if you want a bipe. For monoplane, the Clik Evo available from Icare is good too if you keep it light. I tried a few indoor models as you could see on the picture below ... :-)

https://picasaweb.google.com/109974795506183947946/Saturn?authkey=Gv1sRgCP-EpfjTxaj5cQ#

https://picasaweb.google.com/109974795506183947946/ClikEvo2012#

Original Saturn
Saturn F3P - YouTube


Good job Kevin , ca va être un model de haute précision . I'm planning to buy the Saturn Evolution from Icare. Did any one know this plane... did I need to increase or add airbrake for better slow flying I will use a E-Flite 180 2200kv and a hacker x-7 amp and a 280 mAh lipo

[Eladio]

I have that one too :-)

I found it more sensitive than the monoplanes like the Symmetric. Maybe because it is a little heavy (175g). It is an old design with no milling of the foam. The Park 180 will be working hard I think. If you are willing to machine the foam down like on newer kits or use milar, then it could be good. The original was using the Axi 2203 and was about 170g. The park 180 would only allow level flight. I tried one on an airplane that was a lot lighter and it wasn't fun. I believe the 180 will be fine for a model around 100g. I should try it again now that I have lighter models.

For about the same price, I would go with a newer models like the new Citrino from Donatas Design if you want a bipe. For monoplane, the Clik Evo available from Icare is good too if you keep it light. I tried a few indoor models as you could see on the picture below ... :-)

https://picasaweb.google.com/109974795506183947946/Saturn?authkey=Gv1sRgCP-EpfjTxaj5cQ#

https://picasaweb.google.com/109974795506183947946/ClikEvo2012#

Original Saturn
Saturn F3P - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVDeN_CJgSk)

Thanks Xavier and Nice Collection !!
Well its Done !! here are some Pics !! :)
It's my first foamy indoor so i did my best for weight .
Great Planes Citabria. 33" wing span , 3 Futaba servos S3114
Motor HK 2000 KV. Prop 8 x 4.3.
As you can see with nano tech 2s 300 mah it's 169 gr.
And with Thunder power 325 mah it's 175 gr.
I will need help for final CG Kevin or anyone there on the 7 Jan,
Any one can post pictures of Transport Box to build ??
Thanks Guys !!:D

[Burning Head]

Merci Xavier des info. j'aurais fais un mauvais achat:) Btw nice lot of indoor planes. Did we have any chance to see one of your ARF or kit in the classified ads before the 3 Janvier:)

[Kevin Rochon]

Well CG it depends what do they say in the instructions? Usually you will be able to adjust with Batt. placement. For carrying it you need to make something custom out of cardboard. I'll see I can't modify the one I had last year, not sure it's big enough.

[mdauth]

Nice Eladio, this is the way i carry my planes it has four legs and I can put it horizontal in the truck, with a back pack for the radio, charger, batteries...

[Eladio]

Thanks Kevin and Mickel now i remember your box
I will try to do something similar !!
Happy new year guys !

[Burning Head]

C'est du bon travail Eladio:)

[Eladio]

C'est du bon travail Eladio:)

Merci Richard , j'ai hate d'essayer ca !!
Bonne anne a toi !!

[Xavier]

I have a few planes that maybe for sale soon but not the light ones :-)

Merci Xavier des info. j'aurais fais un mauvais achat:) Btw nice lot of indoor planes. Did we have any chance to see one of your ARF or kit in the classified ads before the 3 Janvier:)

[drgilo1973]

do u still have the pisces autogyro , are u interested to sell it, xavier

[Kevin Rochon]

do u still have the pisces autogyro , are u interested to sell it, xavier

Hey Gilbert you're hogging my thread:D

Send him a PM it's more sure he'll get it.

[Kevin Rochon]

Did some more work today, before another party. Just have the ESC and RX to install and build the carrying device.

[Xavier]

I don't have it anymore. I actually traded it for the Saturn kit 2 years ago I think.

do u still have the pisces autogyro , are u interested to sell it, xavier

[Xavier]

Almost there ! Looking forward to hear what you think on Tuesday :-)


Did some more work today, before another party. GJust have the ESC and RX to install and build the carrying device.

[Xavier]

This light airplanes could easily be damaged by a gust while walling from the car to the building. Ideally you want a box to protect the plane. It could be made of white foam, blue foam, coroplast, carboard, plywood ect.
Duct tape could be used to assemble the box or sealant for a foam box. Nails, screws or tacks (sp?) for the wood ones.

https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#photo/109974795506183947946/5841875131283145473/5841876342689677170

https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#photo/109974795506183947946/5841875131283145473/5841876299718293202




Thanks Kevin and Mickel now i remember your box
I will try to do something similar !!
Happy new year guys !

[Eladio]

This light airplanes could easily be damaged by a gust while walling from the car to the building. Ideally you want a box to protect the plane. It could be made of white foam, blue foam, coroplast, carboard, plywood ect.
Duct tape could be used to assemble the box or sealant for a foam box. Nails, screws or tacks (sp?) for the wood ones.

https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#photo/109974795506183947946/5841875131283145473/5841876342689677170

https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#photo/109974795506183947946/5841875131283145473/5841876299718293202

Thanks Xavier ! I had a carton box laying around at home and did something similar to Michel , not as nice but i think will do the job . Here are some pics !

[Kevin Rochon]

Here is my carrying device we'll see how it works out next Tuesday, hopefully won't be too windy. BTW I'm pretty sure those wheel pants won't last too long:rolleyes:

[Eladio]

Here is my carrying device we'll see how it works out next Tuesday, hopefully won't be too windy. BTW I'm pretty sure those wheel pants won't last too long:rolleyes:

Well as always nice job Kevin, we can beat you !! :D
Your right ,does wheel pants wont last on mine for sure .

But were is the Fun ??

[Violets]

Great build thread Kevin, right down to the carrying unit; got to work on mine this weekend.
Thanks for sharing…

[Kevin Rochon]

Thanks guys.

So where are we going after the indoor.....what will it be this year....Moe's?

[beto9]

Thanks guys.

So where are we going after the indoor.....what will it be this year....Moe's?

Where can we find the most cholesterol?

[Kevin Rochon]

Where can we find the most cholesterol?


Cholesterol(the good one HDL) is good for the brain they say it's one of the factor that can prevent Alzheimer's disease....so let's look for that on the menu;)

[zorba]

Alzheimer's?????
What's that?

[Kevin Rochon]

Hey Billy being Greek with all the olive oil you must of ate you ain't going to get it;)

[Kevin Rochon]

Ok I reworked the carrying box so here is V2. Not closed at the top but I can always put a bag if it snows or rains. Also I bought some O-rings at Rona, they looked the rights size, and they are just a bit bigger than the original but they fit ok and you get 25 for 4$

[Xavier]

The plane should be safe now Kevin, and you have no excuse for this week :-)
I am looking forward to have your impression on the plane.

[Kevin Rochon]

Looking forward to try it:)

[Burning Head]

So, how was the maiden:)

[Xavier]

So ? Tu étais où ?


So, how was the maiden:)

[Burning Head]

Ouin je sais...j'ai du changer un servo a la derniere minute et préférer peaufiner mon model par la suite:)

[Kevin Rochon]

So, how was the maiden:)


Maiden was great, very slow flying airplane, feels big, as it is bigger then the ones I had last years.

[Xavier]

Too cold outside ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHZg7O08D4&feature=youtu.be

[Kevin Rochon]

Je viens de commander des Lipo 260Mah 15 grams(comme Michel) peut être j'aurai le courage d'essayer cela chez moi:eek:

Bon vol Xavier!

[Kevin Rochon]

I've got a little work on the Symmetric taking off weight. I changed the ESC from the GP to HK which is lighter. I also soldered it directly to the motor and shortened the battery lead connector. Also removed most of the velcro I used UHU glue instead.

[Kevin Rochon]

Did the repair of the nose and the bottom back (Where Ronald planes bit mine;)) You can see the doner plane parts in the back ground.

[drgilo1973]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNLzyGP3zj4&feature=youtu.be
flying my autogyro first flight

[Burning Head]

cool clip:)

[drgilo1973]

merci richard enfin j ai reussi a voler un autogyro

[dhamultun]

Persistence pays off Gilbert, nice flight!

[Kevin Rochon]

Was nice to see Gilbert.

So my Symmetric was acting up the Eflite motor gets really hot, barely can touch it, plus it looses power. So I change the ESC for the GreatPlanes one temporarily hooking it up and it was much better. So I solder everything and put it back on the plane and guess what...it didn't want to work anymore, it just gitters but doesn't turn. So I had to put on the HK motor I had last year, unfortunately heavier, but a lot of power.

BTW I put aside the Harvard and cleaned up my workshop so now I can start the Bigfoot.:)

[Xavier]

It looks like a broken wire in the motor Kevin. It could have been partially broken so it would turn but with load and more current, it doesn't.

[Burning Head]

Over heat motor...bearing problem. Got the same trouble with a Hacker 250.

[Kevin Rochon]

It looks like a broken wire in the motor Kevin. It could have been partially broken so it would turn but with load and more current, it doesn't.

I couldn't see anything broken even when I took it apart.

But I finally got my small Lipos from HK, almost a month, it came from Malaysia. So that should compensate for the heavier motor.

[Xavier]

I finally found an UMX AS3Xtra and flew it today in Granby. I made a short video at the end. The quality of the video is not great but the plane flies very well with the basic 1S150mAh 25C. It should be even more with the 45C.

http://youtu.be/6O-oHsA70G4

Xavier

[Xavier]

The little AS3Xtra in Granby.

[Kevin Rochon]

Nice little plane Xavier, don't think they make it anymore?

[Xavier]

It is backorder at Horizon but there were a few left at AMR today when I got mine. They may well release a new one to get people to buy it again :-)

[Kevin Rochon]

last indoor I wasn't watching where I was going when I was coming back with my plane with the motor broken off so there was a little mishap with my left wing. But now everything is all ok:cool:

[mdauth]

last indoor I wasn't watching where I was going when I was coming back with my plane with the motor broken off so there was a little mishap with my left wing. But now everything is all ok:cool:

Little mishap??? The wing went true a shredder:eek::eek: nice work, only two more session to go.